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DoomscytheHarvester (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Now wait, how did this become an MMA discussion? The whole deal is, Ninjutsu is obviously not for show, it's not decorative, it's not the kind of thing you would be able to use in MMA because the moves are FOR killing. Now, for street fighting, these moves would be effective. If you are on the ground, I doubt you'll be gnawing on someones leg when you have knuckles jabbing into your temples. You'll be focusing on that pretty hard, not like you have a choice.
RekLawXeRo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
and machido kept ortiz at the right distance for his kicks and strikes. It was a great Fight.
orenjiotoku (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The MMA fighter would be seriously injured (most likely permanently disabled) or dead. Ninjitsu is not a sport.
Did you see MACHIDO vs ORTIZ? Machido used angling to avoid most of Tito's take down attempts. He repeatedly landed blows. He avoided blows by angling. Not to difficult, but most MMA fighters are meat heads that believe in speed and strength. Not effective against superior skill and experience.
orenjiotoku (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Try most of it is sport. True, IF you can get an opponent down into a hold, its very difficult AND exhausting to get out of it. But on the street, if you get him into a hold, there are so many vantage points where the downed opponent can bite, or stab the MMA fighter. Or, better yet, the downed opponent's friend (or friends) can just stab, punch, kick, slit the MMA's throat, at their leisure.Ninjutsu is not a sport.Its not pretty or impressive by appearance. That is a problem for MMA fans.
Huangshen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
To be honest only certain kinds of sparring are worthwhile for street defense. Many street situations can be ended very quickly with a good understanding of practical psychology, perceptual speed, relative position and efficient striking . If you turn the 'street' into the 'mat' and start duelling, you'll be in trouble. The 'mat' is a closed system, the 'street' is an open system. Don't get me wrong MMA has been a wake up call but some of it is pure sport.
Eterud (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
certain dojo's might not spar, some probably do.
My point is you cannot compare BJJ/MMA in an MMA rules/restrictions environment against traditional martial arts.
that would be the same to saying to BJJ"lets spar to see which art is stronger, but you are forbidden to fight on the ground"
slapupchrist (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Eterud, please spare us the whole 'killing art' nonsense. The Bujinkan has more rules to its training than anything else. For one thing, its practitioners DON'T SPAR...
Eterud (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
why wonder how an killing art does in an ring with rules where you may not kill or do a load of the things they do and where people have protection(gloves etc) and restrictions against an sport which lives by those restrictions and rules.
Huangshen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
under MMA rules not long. However, I've met Hatsumi several times and know his skill well. If he was jumped by a mugger, I think he'd do pretty well even at 70 years plus. In Hatsumi's early years he was a savage, rough and tumble sinewy fighter (hair-tearing, gouging type...). He is generally well-respected in Japan (home of shootfighting, birthplace of modern MMA as well as the traditional stuff)
kevjo66 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I wonder how long any these guys would be conscious going up against an average MMA guy. |
