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PrayingMantisFist (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Very good demostration.
kokororyu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
yes as in it's prearranged for demonstration.
speedyweedylemon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
is this staged?
2Pitbulls8MyKilt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
o agree with you one hundred per cent there. Modern karate has lost much of what it origially was. Its original function was to counter the lethality of samurai bujutsu, with its own lethality
2Pitbulls8MyKilt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
One of my opinions is based on the fact that many people indeed study "martial arts" for self-defense (especially here in the states). So they unknowingly run down to the nearest "Rex-Kwon Do bar&grill" and begin their mis-information programming. Their sensei (i hate that word) has them believing that their slow as hell block and reverse punch will stop a meth-head murderer on parole ( as long as their gi has a snap to it)
Gismokvack (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Originally the modern type of kumite wasn't a part of karate. It was made in order to let people compete. So karate isn't supposed to have that many methods really.
I'm not one to argue with science so if it has been proved that people default to their training, well then I guess I'm pretty f***ed but at least I'll have fun until the day a bad guy buries me eh
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2Pitbulls8MyKilt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
If you study for sport, or recreation or just plain fun then that is surely a valid reason, especially when you (potentially) will never have a need to defend yourself. But graveyards are full of "nice, people that never looked for a fight", but the fight found them in robbery,assault,rape,burglary.Especially in places in the world far more dangerous than perhaps where you live.
My opinion is that the combative arts are as old as time, if it didnt work it died on the battlefield.
2Pitbulls8MyKilt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
most of what you are saying I agree with, BUT what is ther purpose of having multiple methods...(mostly that is just a cop out excuse with no substantial logical answer).
In a stress environment you will default to your training, if you say well "in bunkai" its different than kumite, " well...uhh..well.. you see... if it was for REAL ...uhhh we would do it differently. For the most part, NO YOU WONT. that is a scientific statistic.
Gismokvack (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
And to repeat myself, you're right. Karate kumite looks like kickboxing. As I said, it's because kumite has rules so you can't use most bunkai techniques. And since kumite is about scoring points, there would be no gain in using real combat techniques when quick sissy techniques will score you a point. Kumite is just a way of training reflexes and spirit. Not combat simulation.
Of course, krav Maga and the likes is still more effective, but I think you exaggerate the ineffectiveness of karate.
Gismokvack (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I do not know about the details of the styles you have studied but from what I've learned the way bunkai and kihon are demonstrated in shows such as this video is not the way karate is intended to be used in a real life confrontation. For example, using a full zenkutsudachi with a regular yoko uke is not meant for real life, it's just the method of training your body. IRL the actual execution of karate techniques would probably resemble those of something like Krav Maga. |
